Episode 287 with Robyn Sandoval

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Rob- Introduction- Welcome to episode 287 of Self-Protection Gun Tales. We’re glad you discovered us should you’re nicely skilled.. and should you’re nonetheless studying about armed protection. I’m Rob Morse and we’re joined this week by firearms teacher Robyn Sandoval. You have got been busy, Robyn. What has stored you away?

Robyn- Hello, Rob.  I’ve been internet hosting a number of nice coaching alternatives for girls. Final week I took a dozen girls to Glock Skilled in Smyrna GA the place they took a 1-day armorer class and spent 2-days on the vary with Glock instructors. It was a extremely enjoyable time. How about you?

Rob- I’ve been on the vary just a few instances, and I’ve been carrying day-after-day.

We acquired a brand new ranking however no new feedback on iTunes (is 297×166). A pal of mine mentioned he began listening to the tales along with his spouse. She just lately bought her carry allow and is contemplating how and when to hold.

That’s how I hoped the podcast could be used.

Robyn- I adore it when listeners go to the Self Protection Gun Tales’ podcast web page iTunes retailer and inform us why you pay attention. 

Right here within the US, we defend ourselves with a firearm hundreds of instances a day. On this episode we’ll take a look at just a few latest examples to see what we will study. The hyperlinks again to the unique information articles are on our podcast webpage.

Our first story came about final week in Oklahoma Metropolis, Oklahoma.

Rob- First story- Do you have a firearm nearby at night?

You’re jolted awake once you hear a crashing sound at 4 within the morning. You assume it’s your niece who lives with you and also you shout to ask if she is alright. She says it wasn’t her. You rise up and see a stranger sitting at your kitchen desk. You rush again to your bed room and seize your gun. Your niece comes out of her room and also you ask her who that is. She says she doesn’t know. The stranger will get up and strikes towards you. You shoot him. He falls down and says that hurts. You cease capturing and name 911.

You place your gun away when the police arrive. EMS takes your attacker to the hospital. You give a press release to the police. You say you tried to not shoot however the attacker superior on you earlier than they arrived. You and the police take a look at your damaged entrance door. Your attacker is charged with breaking and getting into, and with public intoxication.

You aren’t charged.

Robyn- It’s at all times spectacular when a defender can awake from sleeping at 4am and preserve his wits about him. I like that our defender was involved for the security of his niece. I like that his doorways had been locked and that he was armed. He defended himself when the attacker moved shut sufficient to seize him. He stopped capturing when the attacker stopped advancing. He known as 911. He stayed on the scene and gave a press release to the police. I assume his niece additionally gave a press release to the police, however the information article doesn’t point out her.

Rob- Is there extra you’d like your college students to do if this occurred to them?

Robyn- I would like you to have a plan with the adults who stay in your house. It sounds just like the niece was in her late teenagers or early 20s, so she might have been armed. Perhaps you’ll seize your weapons and also you’ll each keep in your rooms and name 911. Perhaps you’ll transfer to her room, lock her door, after which she is going to name 911. I would like you to keep away from any intruder.

The defender spoke with the information media. I don’t suggest that. Additionally, how about spending $7 and placing in bigger strike plates in your door casing. Given the will increase we’ve seen in dwelling invasions, that’s cash nicely spent.

Rob- How do your college students find out about defending their household at dwelling?

Robyn- Begin with taking a primary firearms security and marksmanship course to discover ways to function the firearm safely and the overall etiquette about storing and accessing it when wanted. These lessons additionally train you the legal guidelines of the Use of Deadly Power and make a 911 name. As you progress in your firearms coaching journey, search for dwelling protection lessons and ultimately staff lessons that may assist you work with a associate to execute a security plan. 

Rob- When do your college students construct a security plan for his or her dwelling? They’ll try this in each state, even in states or counties that don’t concern hid carry permits, can’t they?

Robyn- Everybody wants a house security plan! Having a plan in place may be completed by anybody, wherever. Decide methods you’ll be able to harden your private home, and locations you’ll be able to stage instruments, not simply weapons, however lighting and a telephone, and possibly a mirror on the wall to provide you higher visibility of your lounge.  Now, what instruments you utilize, together with firearms, and the way they’re accessed might range from state to state, so you’ll want to know the legal guidelines in your space.

Rob- Is there extra you wish to cowl? 

Robyn- That’s sufficient for now. Our second story occurred in Auburn, Washington.

Rob- Second Story- Are you armed at work?

You’re a clerk at a comfort retailer. It’s virtually midnight when somebody comes inside. The shopper comes as much as the counter and says to provide him the cash. He says he has a gun. You personal a gun too. You’re carrying hid tonight. You shoot your attacker. He turns away and also you cease capturing. You again away and discover a protected place. You set your gun down and take out your telephone. You name 911 and ask for assist. You place your gun away when the police arrive.

You give the officers a quick assertion. Emergency Medical Companies declare your attacker lifeless on the scene. You present the police the movies from the shop safety cameras. 

The information reviews don’t say in case your attacker truly had a firearm and you don’t give a press release to the information media. You aren’t charged with against the law.

Robyn- This was a harmful job in a harmful space. The development crews engaged on street restore close to the fuel station mentioned there have been open air drug markets within the alley throughout the road. There have been fights among the many druggies day-after-day.

Our defender was armed. He acknowledged the ultimatum from the robber as a deadly menace. The defender waited his flip after which shot his attacker. It appears to be like just like the defender didn’t chase the dangerous man down the road, however stayed inside and moved to security. He known as 911 and requested for assist.

There was plexiglass in entrance of the money register and it was to not cease covid, however to cease bullets. They’d a very good safety video system. I believe this defender acknowledged that he had a harmful job and had a plan.

Rob- Is there extra you’d like us to do?

Robyn- I used to be occupied with what occurs after we shoot. We wish to run away or lock ourselves in a again workplace, however meaning we lose sight of the dangerous man and another clients who’re within the retailer. If the dangerous man has a pal who runs in and grabs his gun, then we should be accountable for the scenario to make sure nothing else goes sideways earlier than police arrive. We should be far sufficient away that we will name the police, however shut sufficient that we will see what is occurring. These conflicting objectives appear totally different than what we really feel after we defend ourselves at dwelling.

I observed that the attacker’s household arrange a vigil outdoors the fuel station as if the robber had been one way or the other the sufferer fairly than the perpetrator. You need a lawyer to defend you and your fame. We’ve seen plenty of households play the sufferer till the video reveals their son threatening somebody. Let your lawyer handle that call.

Rob- Meaning you both want some huge cash for a lawyer otherwise you want a pay as you go self-defense authorized plan.

Robyn- It takes between 10 and 20 thousand {dollars} to rent a lawyer to your protection. I doubt that somebody who’s working the late shift at a comfort retailer has saved that type of cash. Maybe some shops might insure their workers, however regardless if I labored there I’d undoubtedly carry self-defense insurance coverage.

Rob- The identical approach building companies carry additional insurance coverage for accidents, comfort shops might carry additional insurance coverage for armed protection. That’s attention-grabbing.

Do small enterprise homeowners come to you eager to study armed protection for themselves or their workers?

Robyn- Sure, we see a number of totally different folks searching for coaching for skilled settings. Coaching can vary from workplaces and shops to church safety, and likewise realtors and others that go into numerous unknown conditions. 

Rob- What’s that like?

Robyn- Situational consciousness is at all times key in any scenario once you’re round unknown folks. Look ahead to anomalies and habits that appears odd. For instance, is somebody strolling round taking a look at clients as an alternative of merchandise? For realtors, we train them now to information potential clients by means of a constructing in order that they at all times have a transparent exit path from any room.

Our third story occurred in Sidney, Ohio.

Rob- First this message from FASTER Colorado.

https://i2i.org/faster-training/

Rob- Third story- Are you armed at home during the day?

Your daughter is frightened. She says her ex-boyfriend is coming over and calls for to see her. She doesn’t wish to see him. The doorways are already locked although it’s 11 within the morning. You hear a stranger on the entrance door. He shouts to open the door and let him in. Your daughter calls 911. You inform the stranger to go away and that you just’re armed. He hits the door after which throws himself on the door. He slams his shoulder into the door time and again. Ultimately the door jam breaks and the intruder enters. You shoot him till he stops and turns round. You keep inside. Police arrive and you set your gun away. Emergency medical providers declare your attacker lifeless on the scene.

Police ask in case your attacker got here inside. You say he did. They present you a bullet gap within the door. You present the police the damaged door body and the doorbell safety video. It appears to be like just like the attacker pulled the door closed as he fell again outdoors your private home. You attempt to care for our daughter who could be very upset.

You aren’t charged.

Robyn- This needed to have been very tough as a result of she knew this individual; he wasn’t a stranger. The daughter had instructed him to remain away and he or she shortly known as 911 to get the police on the best way early. The dad instructed the ex to remain outdoors and that he was armed. That sounds just like the defenders are doing what they will to keep away from a battle, however generally it isn’t sufficient. It appears to be like just like the dad waited till the intruder broke by means of the door to begin capturing, after which stopped when the intruder moved again outdoors. The defenders didn’t chase the robber outdoors however stayed inside to attend for the police.

Rob- Is there extra you’d like us to do?

Robyn- Take into consideration a restraining order. Take into consideration calling the police instantly when the ex-boyfriend says he’s coming over. Being the place you aren’t invited known as trespass, and with the restraining order is a right away journey to jail. I do know that sounds harsh, however I’m making an attempt to maintain somebody from doing one thing silly and getting killed.

Rob- Do your college students method you with issues they’ve had previously?

Robyn- Sure, I’ve heard a number of tales scary over time about ex boyfriends and ex husbands. Girls have a way about when there’s a huge downside, and they should belief themselves that they’re not overreacting or being dramatic. Taking steps for private security is essential.

Rob- Is there anything you suggest when an ex gained’t take the trace?

Robyn- I can train firearms security and armed protection. There are different sources for counseling, for authorized providers, and possibly to maneuver you to a brand new location.

Rob- This younger girl appeared to be about 18 or 19. Is that too younger to study armed protection?

Robyn- We’ve got a number of security seminars for ladies heading off to varsity to speak about how they are often extra situationally conscious and the way they will establish creeper habits and keep protected. For probably the most half, an individual must be 21 years outdated earlier than she will be able to hid carry. There are some exceptions that permit for youthful, however it varies by state and circumstance.
Rob- The place are we headed subsequent?

Robyn- Our final story came about in Norco, California.

Rob- Fourth story- Are you armed at work?

It’s after midnight. You’re about to shut your small market and liquor retailer. You look as much as see a automotive drive up and a person get out. You watch him on the video screens. He pulls a ski masks over his face and he’s carrying rubber gloves. He’s additionally carrying an AR rifle in his arms. You attain underneath the counter and seize the shotgun you retain there. You drop down behind the counter and level the shotgun on the entrance door. Your attacker comes by means of the door and ranges his rifle. You shoot him. He turns and runs outdoors. One other man within the getaway automotive will get out of the automotive to assist your attacker. The second man has a handgun. You keep inside. Your attackers drive away and also you name 911.

Police arrive a couple of minutes later. The police arrest your 4 attackers as they drive into the hospital car parking zone. You present the police your safety video. Your attacker is in steady however critical situation as a result of shotgun wound to his higher arm.

You’re 80 years outdated. You name a 24 hour restore firm to place plywood over the broken entrance door of your retailer. Your attackers face felony fees for tried theft, possession of stolen firearms, automotive theft, utilizing weapons throughout fee of a felony, victimizing an individual over age 65 and elder abuse. They’re being held in lieu of $500,000 bail.

Robyn- Our defender paid consideration to what was bizarre and what was misplaced at his retailer. He didn’t faux that he was protected when a person introduced a rifle into his retailer. He was armed and defended himself. He stayed inside and known as the police. He gave the police a press release and the safety video.

Rob- Is there extra we should always take into account if we work late at evening?

Robyn- The defender was first reported to make use of a single-shot shotgun, however that was later modified to be a pump shotgun. Once they had been arrested on the hospital, the police discovered a number of extra firearms within the robber’s automotive. These dangerous guys had been armed, and our defender was disarmed if he had been even just a few steps away from the money register.

Rob- So our defender was fortunate.
Robyn- We use greatest practices so we don’t need to rely on luck. I believe the shop clerk ought to carry a handgun on his physique. A tactical shotgun in 20-gauge is perhaps an ideal match for him to maintain behind the counter. The excellent news is that the shop is in Riverside county so he can get a carry allow from the sheriff.

Rob- Wait. There are carry permits in California?

Robyn- A number of them. I’d additionally take into account a distant door lock so the clerk can simply let folks by means of the entrance door one-at-a-time after 9pm.

Rob- I observed that the defender spoke to the media.

Robyn- He did. He had his causes, however I wouldn’t try this. We don’t defend ourselves in a vacuum. We’ve seen sincere defenders arrested. Dangerous elections have dangerous penalties.

Rob- The place would your college students find out about hid carry after which armed protection.

Robyn- You’re proper that these are two separate issues. It begins with taking a category on marksmanship, manipulating the firearm, and realizing make hits the place (and when) you wish to get these hits. Then it’s studying have a protected and environment friendly drawstroke from the holster, what holster is greatest for the chosen firearm, and possibly ultimately understanding techniques round pistol presentation and shifting to cowl.

Rob- When would one among your college students study to combat inside with a shotgun?

Robyn- A shotgun is an efficient choice for dwelling protection. You possibly can take a defensive shotgun class to discover ways to deploy it successfully. Loading the shotgun is probably the most tough and takes a number of apply. Additionally, storing the shotgun is essential to think about because it’s not drop-safe. You’ll must know stage and cargo it, should you select that platform for protection.

Exit-  Rob- That wraps up this episode. Robyn, thanks for serving to us this week. The place can we study extra about you?

Robyn- Search for me at A Girl and a Gun dot org, and at and A Lady & A Gun on the entire social media pages. We’ve got chapters all throughout the nation.

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